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Brian O’Leary Interview on Free Energy

May, 2010

Regina Meredith: Brian O’Leary has seen more than just about any civilian when it comes to the world of free energy, or Zero Point energy devices. As an idealistic young PhD in space sciences, he was slated to go to Mars on a NASA mission, when the Viet Nam War shifted the U.S.’s priorities. Instead, he became a professor, teaching at Cornell, along side Carl Sagan, and later at Princeton in the Physics Department. Ultimately, his broad curiosity about future technologies in space brought him to the understanding that only through free and clean energy can we progress as a global species. The rub has been that vested interests have thwarted this progress at every turn.

Regina Meredith: I’m very happy to be sitting here with you. I met you the first time about ten years ago, but I’ve know of your work for many years prior to that. And, you have been—you’ve had a very illustrious career. But, you’ve been almost . . . hmmm . . . you have to, by now, be almost somewhat of a broken-hearted dreamer to have gone through as much as you’ve gone through to end up where we are today, which is, well practically speaking, not very far advanced of where we were when you started this whole dance.
And, so, I would love it—in your book, you wrote a letter to the “the younger generation,” which has a lot to do with apologies and regrets for our generations, and maybe you can start there. What propelled you to begin with through to now, and the things that have, basically, forced you to write this letter of apology to my son’s generation?

Brian O’Leary: Well, yes, I just turned 70, so, I feel like now it is time to pass on some of the knowledge that I’ve gained. And it does appear to be a difficult road, but actually it isn’t that hard when I reflect on the fact there is a famous I. F. Stone quote; it’s that, “If you expect to see the final results of your work, you haven’t asked a big enough question.”

Regina Meredith: Yeah.

Brian O’Leary: And the questions that we’re asking now, if we look at the big picture, are really important. And, although they may not impact me in this body, at this time, they will impact future generations. So, it’s very important that the future generations know what some of us have learned in our own lifetimes. And, so, my own path was I had this passionate desire, ever since I was a little kid, to explore space. So, I was very keen on reading any and every book about rocketry, books by Wernher von Braun, Arthur C. Clarke. I was convinced that there would be a space program. Indeed, there was; in fact, the space program happened so fast, that I turned out to be almost too young to go to the moon, not too old, even though people thought I was crazy when I was a kid, that I wanted to go to the Moon or to Mars.

Regina Meredith: Yes.

Brian O’Leary: But, in fact, the space program happened very quickly; it also, the vital part of the space program ended quickly.

Regina Meredith: Yes.

Brian O’Leary: I was appointed to go to Mars as an astronaut and then they cut the program because of Viet Nam. So, then I became a major war protestor.

Regina Meredith: Yes.

Brian O’Leary: I would march on Washington. I became a professor at Cornell, with Carl Sagan, and got involved in planetary exploration for a while through the use of robots. That was a lot of fun, and at that time, you see, I hadn’t become an environmentalist. I hadn’t returned my focus on to the Earth, and it was only much later when I started to have my own epiphany and I left the mainstream, I began to realize that the environmental problems we have on the Earth are far greater than what virtually anybody has acknowledged. And the problems are so huge that my whole life has been around seeking solutions—my whole life the second half of my life.

Regina Meredith: Right, I understand. And, so, what was—if you can go ahead and characterize what you passed on in that letter of apology to the youth. What are the key points?

Brian O’Leary: Well, the key points of the letter are the key points of what I am about. The apology is that our generation has been very irresponsible. We have brought in leaders that have, basically, been puppets, that in the public domain, whether it’s the scientific community, the media, the institutions that have been ostensibly for the public good, none of them has delivered, and that the word “sustainability” has become almost a joke, that the Earth as we know it is going downhill very fast, that the people that claim sustainability and use excuses that they are doing their part is sort of like a tiny fraction of what’s really going to be necessary. And we’re going to have to look at a very, very basic change. We’re going to have to rely more on consciousness as the Ground of All Being, rather than reductionistic Western science.
And, science itself, is in a big crisis. Theirs is a belief system that we sometimes call scientism, which is a—basically, a religion that says anything and everything that we know about can be proven or disproven in a laboratory, and that’s certainly not true.

Regina Meredith: Not true.

Brian O’Leary: And in terms of my own growth, personal growth, around 1979, when I was on the faculty at Princeton University, in the Physics Department, I went to a Lifestream training. I had a remote viewing experience; I was able to tune into a person that I didn’t know, and I had it very accurately described.

Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.

Brian O’Leary: And that was the first of what was to be many experiences I had that violated the rules and regulations of Western science, such as we knew them.

Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.

Brian O’Leary: So, that I then had a Near-Death Experience in an auto accident. I lifted out of my body. Around that time I had no idea that these things were possible, so I was a good subject. I had a healing experience, and all of these experiences then led me to ask the question well, are many of these phenomena that lie outside the box of Western science, are the susceptible to scientific inquiry using scientific methods? And, I found that they were.

Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.

Brian O’Leary: And then that began my exploration. And, I pretty much had to leave Princeton at that point, which I’m glad I did.

Regina Meredith: Not surprisingly.

Brian O’Leary: Which I’m glad I did, in retrospect.

Regina Meredith: Yeah. John Mack, for example. You know when he went outside the box, he was head of Clinical Psychology at Harvard; when he went outside the box it was only minutes before they tried to strip him of his tenure, and so forth. And we know—anybody who knows a little bit about that particular movement; abductees and UFOs and consciousness, and such, can look up Dr. John Mack. But, you could very easily have slipped into very uncomfortable circumstance.

Brian O’Leary: That’s right and so, in a way, I think I’m glad I left before that came down on me. Little did I realize at the time that over in the engineering quadrangle at Princeton, Robert John was doing his experiments in the paralabs. These were experiments in consciousness research.

Regina Meredith: Yes.

Brian O’Leary: Where operators in the lab were able to influence the result of random event generators. These are the little digital coin flips that, basically, could be influenced through human intention. And that everybody had their own psychic signature—even people that weren’t psychically gifted. And, while he was doing those experiments, they tried to run him out of Princeton.

Regina Meredith: Right, and at the same time, this was when Russell Targ and others were working on very similar experiments at other facilities and under funding by the CIA because this was very valuable technology.

Brian O’Leary: Right. The CIA knows what’s going on.

Regina Meredith: Sure they do.

Brian O’Leary: But the rest of us seem to be divided and ruled by these malevolent, sinister forces, and that’s something which I grew to appreciate more and more concomitantly with my own exploration of the phenomena of consciousness.

Regina Meredith: So, let’s talk about that a little bit because this takes us into some of the regrets your generation, my generation and what we are handing down into my son’s generation. And, this has to do with the fact that non-polluting, freely available energy sources have been not only conceived of, but born out through various devices that have been created all over the world for, really, decades now. I mean it’s not totally new phenomena that the prototypes of these devices exist; we all know that. That should be common knowledge; in fact we’ll show something on YouTube in a little bit. It’s so common; you can go to YouTube and find this. Yet, none of this has really made it to the light of day, and this becomes so murky because you’re getting into governmental, as you say, industry, the more private, secret, hidden factions of the government, intelligence communities, UFO phenomena; it all seems to come together as soon as you start talking about freely available, or Zero Point energy.

Brian O’Leary: Yes, you know, it took me a long time to—even I resisted addressing the question of free energy, or Zero Point energy, or vacuum energy or any of the more esoteric-sounding energy sources, which have been out there and researched for quite a while. And, so, I finally decided to address that question. In the early 1990s – late 1980s, I traveled the world; I visited many of the most promising inventors and researchers and found that there are devices of all kinds out there that are not at the practical stage as practical devices that we can use. It’s like there are a lot of Wright brothers out there testing out and proving the concept.

Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.

Brian O’Leary: But that we haven’t gone through the critical step, yet, of actually developing a real device that people can generally use.

Regina Meredith: That’s very inexpensive and accessible to all.

Brian O’Leary: Exactly.

Regina Meredith: Yeah.

Brian O’Leary: And, I am fully confident, by the way, that any one or some of these technologies can be implemented if we have the will, if we have the courage, then we can move ahead into this. And, I also feel that this option, the option of so called free energy, is the only option available to us now that makes any sense in meeting even a fraction of the total energy demand of the world. So, we have this two-edged sword, now. We have a situation in which there have been literally hundreds to thousand of inventors out there that have been divided and ruled and suppressed, and we have a concept whose physics has gotten much better known. I’ve made it a personal study through the years, over the last three decades, actually, to prove to myself that it’s experimentally viable, that with a concerted research and development effort we can come up with some extraordinary technologies for clean, cheap decentralized energy, and it would just blow the whole energy crisis wide open. And, we could solve our principal problem of sustainability, which is that we’ve been using very dirty energy. So . . .

Regina Meredith: And can I just say something here? It doesn’t matter whether you’re for the prevailing agendas having to do with Global Warming, or whether you’re not. The point is we’re using filthy energy; we’re creating huge socioeconomic chaos around the planet as a result of trying to extract and own these resources. I mean there is every single reason not to be dependent on this, anymore, aside from what’s going on globally, and just forget the degradation of the environment. I mean that’s something that often seems to get buried, now, is to have a very polluted, unclean, unsustainable environment at ground level. And, I just wanted to say it doesn’t matter what you’re feelings are and whose camp you’re in on Global Warming. This extends far beyond that.

Brian O’Leary: Yes. Absolutely. Yeah, that’s right. This transcends the Global Warming/climate change issue. The issues come and go; they are like fads.

Regina Meredith: Yes.

Brian O’Leary: And, I subscribe to the precautionary principle that if there is any chance that the climate change is as drastic as it appears to be based on the analysis of the climate science community, then we had better very quickly go off of our addiction to oil and coal and any of the fossil fuels.

Regina Meredith: Yes.

Brian O’Leary: We should even get off our addiction to bio fuels, which are no great bargain. In fact, it’s been calculated by some people like David Pimentel, at Cornell University, Professor of Biology, that if you had an economy based on ethanol from corn, you actually would use more hydrocarbons, more fossil fuels, then if you were to just use the fossil fuels because of the infrastructure development around that. And, so, in my own world—and, I’ve had years and years of history as an energy advisor to presidential candidates, and as a professor of energy studies . . .

Regina Meredith: Yes. A lot of time in D.C., where it was happening.

Brian O’Leary: Yes. Yes, with Morris Udall, when he ran for president in 1975. So, given my years and years of experience, I would encourage younger people, for example, I would love a graduate student to get his hands around the topic of well, let’s honestly assess all alternative energy sources; the ones we now have, the ones that we could have in a more open world, and let’s just see how they stack up in terms of their full lifecycle environmental costs.

Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.

Brian O’Leary: And what people neglect to do, they see fragments of it, and there is a promotional bias. Like, you’ll hear from—in this very, very commercial world you’ll hear some people propose bio fuels, others hydrogen, others saying oh, we have the answer; fuel cells, or somebody else might say solar, this kind of solar or this kind of wind power, or this kind of hydro power, or geothermal power. And the people that talk about these things usually promote that to the exclusion of other things.

Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.

Brian O’Leary: And one of the great disappointments I’ve found in my own analyses is that there is a problem with each one of them. I would love to be a solar advocate and I am.

Regina Meredith: Let’s talk about the problem with solar, what you have been able to ascertain.

Brian O’Leary: Well, the problem with solar in terms of it fulfilling the current energy demand of the world, or even a fraction of it, is that the material cost and the environmental cost of developing the materials for solar collectors for the whole planet is prohibitive.

Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.

Brian O’Leary: It’s about 20 to 40 trillion dollars, and the amount of mining of materials would just ruin the face of the Earth; you just can’t do it. I wish you could. I wish we didn’t have to go into the . . .

Regina Meredith: Well, it sounds so clean; gather free energy from the Sun. But, you’re right. I mean, yes, the interface between energetic output and the Sun can be very, as you say, costly and damaging to the environment, as well, right? So . . .

Brian O’Leary: That’s right, and the same is true of wind power. The windmills litter the landscape. You’d have to have literally millions and millions and millions of them to have any appreciable dent on the whole energy economy. And the materials used and the replacement of parts, the disposal of parts that are no longer useful becomes a big problem. All you have to do is see the YouTube video, The Story of Stuff, with Anne Leonard . . .

Regina Meredith: Yes, it’s wonderful!

Brian O’Leary: From cradle to grave, you’re dealing with a very intensive, environmentally damaging system, and if you’re really serious about sustainability, you’re going to have to look outside the box. And, of course, this is where free energy comes in. The concepts of free energy are alive and well, but they must be responsibly implemented.

Regina Meredith: Well, and not just responsibly implemented, they have to first of all, stop being suppressed. We’re talking about some of the—you know I’ve interviewed a lot of people in what is termed the Conspiracy world, and a lot of their concerns are for very good reason. You’ve bumped up against it, yourself, in this arena. If you wouldn’t mind making comment on a couple of people, for example, such as your friend Eugene Mallove; I would love to know more about that story. I mean I’ve read about him in your book, and the whole story of Cold Fusion, what he put on the line to try to bring truth out. People need to start understanding what these people have been up against.

Brian O’Leary: Yes, yes. I had a bumper sticker for a number of years that said, “The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off.”

Regina Meredith: Or kill you. (laughing)

Brian O’Leary: Or kill you, yes. It does engender a great deal of resistance. Another wonderful quote, Bertrand Russell, “The resistance to a new idea increases as the square of its importance.”

Regina Meredith: Yes.

Brian O’Leary: And throughout history the most important ideas have been scuttled by the mainstream, and people don’t want it because they unconsciously, especially, but to a degree consciously feel that threatens their way of life. And that, certainly, is what’s going on now. Here we are talking about the multi-trillion-dollar per year energy economy, that’s based mostly on oil, and everywhere in the world. We’re all addicted to oil; we all use it. It’s the only show in town, basically, for running our cars, and the other hydrocarbons; coal [and] oil for generating electricity, or nuclear power, and these are all bad news. I hate to say it, but the world is being destroyed by these technologies.

Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.

Brian O’Leary: It’s really that extreme. And, we don’t have to look that far into that question. Certainly, your viewers, if you want to know more about it, the information is out there in spades.

Regina Meredith: You have a load of it on your website. If you want to know anything about any technology, there I almost nothing you can’t find on your website. So, we’ll guide people to that in a bit. But let’s talk about some of the really profound potentials that have come out. Let’s talk about Cold Fusion. Let’s talk about Eugene.

Brian O’Leary: Well, OK. Cold Fusion, which is a funny term, and it may not actually be the term that sticks. That’s part of the problem is that sometimes we don’t even have—we don’t know how to find the words to describe what we’re talking about because it’s so new. But, Cold Fusion, or low-energy radioactive . . . No. (correction) high-energy/ low radioactive, chemically-induced nuclear reactions is a very interesting, almost accidental discovery in 1989, by two chemists at the University of Utah; Stanley Pons and Martin Fleishmann, who discovered that if you dip a palladium alloy into a solution of heavy water and you send an electrical current, then you find that nuclear reactions might occur on the cathode, generating an enormous amount of heat energy. And this experiment has been replicated many times since then, and the science writer for MIT, the Chief Science Writer, Eugene Mallove, who himself has a doctorate in the sciences, discovered that the MIT scientists, the nuclear physicists that tried to replicate the results of Fleishmann and Pons, committed fraud in not really, honestly reporting on their replication. They actually did . . .

Regina Meredith: They were trying to disprove.

Brian O’Leary: They were trying to disprove it because their vested interest was in hot nuclear tokamak fusion reactions, simulating the inside of the Sun, and building these behemoth reactors and tens of billions of dollars of tax money, and so forth and so on. And these people’s careers relied on the success, or potential success of that approach. And then, here you have a couple of chemists from the University of Utah, coming up with some results at room temperature on a tabletop apparatus.

Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.

Brian O’Leary: So, you’re dealing with a whole different approach to the question, and one that raises the hackles of the vested interests. And, so this is—and this has happened throughout the history of science.

Regina Meredith: But, Eugene was brave enough to take this on.

Brian O’Leary: Gene Mallove took it on, and he told the truth, and it was very painful. He was basically shoved out of MIT for his heresy. He then went on his own and began editing Infinite Energy magazine, and became one of the world’s foremost spokesmen for new energy technologies. And [he] was quite a force in doing that, and in the year [20]04, he was brutally murdered. Now, we don’t know exactly the motive. Of course, many of these murders that do take place of some of the leading researchers in energy, their death, the cause of their death is not necessarily . . .

Regina Meredith: They don’t leave notes.

Brian O’Leary: They don’t leave notes, that’s for one thing.

Regina Meredith: Right, yeah, yeah.

Brian O’Leary: Some of them are . . .

Regina Meredith: The perpetrator doesn’t leave a note; compliments of . . .

Brian O’Leary: No. No, there is almost always a cover story or another interpretation of the death. It could be a natural heart attack; it could be a robbery, as in the case of Mallove; he was robbed.

Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.

Brian O’Leary: Or, it could be an apparent suicide, without a note.

Regina Meredith: Yeah, “suiciding” people, mmhmm.

Brian O’Leary: So, there are actually literally dozens of these cases of people that have been violently murdered or threatened or assaulted. And, so, that’s one very big reason why these technologies have never seen the light of day.

Regina Meredith: And, we know others, personally, who have been threatened; they’ve had their laboratories broken into; they’ve had their devices stolen, smashed. I’ve heard a lot of these stories, myself, and I’m not nearly as deeply involved as what you have been. So, you’ve been exposed to a lot of ugly stuff. Another one that was just heartbreaking—in fact, I remember reading the articles that had come out after Pons, and what is his partner’s name, the other one, the two fellows in Utah; what are their names, again?

Brian O’Leary: Pons and Fleishmann.

Regina Meredith: Pons and Fleishmann, yes. I remember reading the articles coming out, basically, discrediting what they had done at the time. So, as a lay person, I just let it go. Oh, well, I guess that was just a load of hot air. And the spinning of the public perception in someone who reads maybe a casual science magazine like myself, pretty much puts the end to any energetic demand or impetus around this, and this happens repeatedly.
But let’s talk about something that was very exciting a couple years ago. In fact, we saw it on CNN. That inventor, again, met a horrible death as soon as the buzz started around his technology, and this is Stanley Meyer.

Brian O’Leary: Yes, yes . . .

Regina Meredith: Let’s talk about his technology and what happened to him.

Brian O’Leary: Yeah, well, this is a man who had a device that, basically, where you could run your car on water, and drive it over long distances. And the kinds of technologies, here—and, by the way, they’re out there; they are fairly prevalent.

Regina Meredith: Yes.

Brian O’Leary: Is that you can manipulate the water molecule in such a way that you can electrolyze water; you can divide it into oxygen and hydrogen much less energetically than the normal electrolysis of normal H2O.

Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.

Brian O’Leary: And in so doing you get more energy out of the hydrogen that you create on demand, then you use to electrolyze it in the first place.

Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.

Brian O’Leary: So, that is basically a concept of over unity. All you need is a little bit of water and you can run your car across the country.

Regina Meredith: I mean the world was really getting buzzed about this one. He’d made it onto mainstream news, even.
Brian O’Leary: Yes.

Regina Meredith: Other people had been reading about it, but he—pretty quickly, once he came out with this, he had made it onto mainstream news. I remember watching a report about him on CNN, right.

Brian O’Leary: Mmmhmm.

Regina Meredith: And then, within two weeks, he was out of the picture.

Brian O’Leary: Right, right. Yeah, he was poisoned.

Regina Meredith: At a restaurant.

Brian O’Leary: Yes, that is the story, and it’s one of many, many sad stories.

Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.

Brian O’Leary: And, you know it . . .

Regina Meredith: What happened to that technology? What happens when these inventors are killed, or pushed aside, or destroyed in one way or another? Then what happens.

Brian O’Leary: Well, it’s different in individual cases. And, in this case, I would say fortunately there have been many—many people have been working on these technologies all over the world.

Regina Meredith: Yeah.

Brian O’Leary: And, sooner or later, they will get out there. But, still, you see, give an inventor who is very successful and can actually have a working prototype, once you get to that stage, that’s where it can become dangerous, and that’s been true throughout the history of radical energy development, or breakthrough clean energy development.

Regina Meredith: And what is the fear of those who, essentially, suppress or control our technologies. I mean we know some of the motivations. We know—we can understand the greed factor, certainly, but what else? It has to be more than that, right?

Brian O’Leary: Well, yes. Of course, there is the greed factor, and that’s transparent. The fact is that directly challenging this multi-trillion-dollar economy and vested interest is, in and of itself, a big threat from their perception. So, the people in control want to ring every gallon of oil out of the ground that they can get away with, for as long as they can get away with it, to optimize their short term profits per unit time.

Regina Meredith: Yes.

Brian O’Leary: That’s the kind of, what I call the Lapis Pig factor.

Regina Meredith: Yes.

Brian O’Leary: It’s the optimalization of capitalistic gain in a competitive environment. But, you’re right; it is more than that. There are control elements; there are powers behind the throne. I think we’re seeing many symptoms about this. Not only in the area of energy development; we’re seeing it in the military industrial complex, going to war, the whole financial crisis, the financial community and the greed that’s going on there. It seems to be an ever-further consolidation of control in which the effects are—it’s a ridiculous degree of unsustainability.

Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.

Brian O’Leary: Whether it’s the fighting of wars, whether it’s the implementation of Monsanto-type agriculture, or pharmaceutical overkill.

Regina Meredith: Yeah.

Brian O’Leary: In all of these areas there is a great deal of control that is happening, and consolidation of control. And this, of course, has happened throughout the history of course, has happened throughout the history of the world. So, Western civilization, such as we know it now, is crumbling; it’s falling apart. The empire is falling apart. But there is good news on the horizon, and that’s the part that . . .

Regina Meredith: There is, and well, and we’re going to spend the last part of the interview talking about nothing but that. I just want to kind of still pick through a few of the little obstacles.

Brian O’Leary: Yes.

Regina Meredith: You started, yourself, having encounters with the intelligence community. I think it was what, 1987, when you started becoming involved in ICIS; well, it had another name prior to ICIS, but the Institute for Cooperation in Space, and you were really positioning yourself against the Star Wars program becoming—not only creating enemies on the ground, but let’s create them in space, too! What do you think? Who gets that contract?

Brian O’Leary: Right. Yeah, I know. I’ve been kind of a thorn in the side of the military industrial complex. And, I’m basically heeding Eisenhower’s warning, when he left office.

Regina Meredith: Yes.

Brian O’Leary: That the military industrial complex is becoming so powerful, there is very little you can do about it. It’s basically heralding the end of democracy as we know it. It’s consolidating ever-increasing military force, military power and lucrative contracts. And, now of course, in the U.S. the military budget is higher than it’s ever been, even higher than World War II, adjusted for inflation.

Regina Meredith: Yes.

Brian O’Leary: And, yet, the people of the U.S. don’t have a chance to speak out about that.

Regina Meredith: No, they have not. And there have been a few brave souls; one of them, Congressman Dennis Kucinich, and I found that a very interesting journey, and he is a very different kind of being. I have met him. I know you’ve met him. And, in fact, I remember what occurred around his “Space-based Weapons [bill];” the bill he tried to introduce regarding banning on space-based weapons and the compromises and such that were occurring at that time. Again, like I said in the beginning, this is a complex and murky picture that we’re talking about, here. You had a conglomeration of individuals that were free energy advocates, and anti-Star Wars advocates, everyone in the same room. And, Kucinich was really trying to carry some of this forward, but the bill was compromised because he tagged on something regarding chemtrails. And, I was there, actually, at his—right after he had removed that from the language of that bill.

Brian O’Leary: Hmmm.

Regina Meredith: It was when he announced his run for president the first time. And someone said, “Why did you do that?” And very practically and briefly, he said, “Look, it’s simple; I can’t. I can’t do it. The whole thing goes down if I don’t take that out.

Brian O’Leary: Hmmm.

Regina Meredith: I think the whole thing went down, anyway, didn’t it? But, the point is, that’s when I met you. You were in and around all of these things going on. What was happening at this very tenuous time when a few good souls really were trying to make some public inroads? This was around 9/11, by the way.

Brian O’Leary: Yeah, I know. There were a lot of things going on around that time, and I’ve done some work with Dennis, and he’s a very good man.

Regina Meredith: Yes.

Brian O’Leary: I—he, asked me to work with him on legislation for the provision of research and development on new energy technologies. And so often when something gets sabotaged it’s not necessarily sabotaged by the “powers that be,” the elitists.

Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.

Brian O’Leary: Sometimes it’s sabotaged just by the individuals who are allies and who don’t know really what they are doing or how the system works.

Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.

Brian O’Leary: So, sometimes things get sabotaged just by the people with good intentions. But, so, it’s a very complex thing. There are many gates you have to go through in order to make something politically viable in the U.S. And, I’ve found it very frustrating because the “New Energy Research and Development” bill was basically killed as a result of the egos of some of the people that were promoting the bill.

Regina Meredith: Now, isn’t that amazing.

Brian O’Leary: Yeah, it’s—so many people are into their careers and, fortunately, at this very ripe old age of mine, all my work in these areas is voluntary, so I don’t have any ox to gore, or vested interest to defend, or career to build.

Regina Meredith: Yes.

Brian O’Leary: But it Washington appearances can become so important, and so the political part of my career has become a lot more global and a lot more focused on some of the issues that we face in South America, and Ecuador, saving the Rain Forest, and so forth.

Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.

Brian O’Leary: Which I find a great deal more attractable now because the whole U.S. political system it seems like just about everybody, except for Kucinich, is bought out in Congress.

Regina Meredith: And even he had that little plane ride with Obama, recently . . .

Brian O’Leary: Obama, yes.

Regina Meredith: And that made my heart very sad. I can’t imagine what was said to him and what it took to make him buckle, but that was a sad day.

Brian O’Leary: Exactly. It was a sad day, but you are probably also aware that the pressures on these guys are absolutely enormous, and they’re like puppets.

Regina Meredith: Oh, no doubt!

Brian O’Leary: And, you don’t know what’s really going on behind the scenes with Obama; whether somebody is almost literally pointing a gun to his head and saying, do this; do this. Don’t do this.

Regina Meredith: Absolutely.

Brian O’Leary: I have a feeling that he has to walk a very narrow path, or else he’s out.

Regina Meredith: I believe that’s true. Yeah, I believe that is true.

Brian O’Leary: Which has probably been true since the time of J.F.K., who did have the courage to stand up and go for some truths that were very painful.

Regina Meredith: Well, he went after the Federal Reserve; he really tried to create disclosure regarding military suppressed information regarding E. T. contact; he went for it.

Brian O’Leary: And, he wanted to, [in] his words, “splinter the CIA in a million pieces.”

Regina Meredith: Exactly!

Brian O’Leary: And that really got their dander up and, of course, they ended his life.

Regina Meredith: Yeah. So, it’s been a dangerous place for a president to “be” since those times.

Brian O’Leary: Yes, yes. And, so, the president really has no power; the people have no power.

Regina Meredith: Right.

Brian O’Leary: Congress is bought out, and that’s the kind of system we’re dealing with here.

Regina Meredith: And at the same time, we have this incredible awakening of mass consciousness occurring, which really is exponentially growing by the minute. I mean you can see it; we can even see it just from the interaction of ourselves and Conscious Media Network and the public at large around the world. People are waking up; they are “smelling the coffee” in that something is not right around here. So, that part I think most, not most, but a good percentage of people have.

Brian O’Leary: Mmmhmm.

Regina Meredith: But now this next leap is creating the conscious community at large that has, essentially, enough creative juice to be able to bring some of these things into reality in spite of living within a fairly corrupt, a corrupt system—and that’s globally. That’s not just the U.S.; that’s globally. It might be a little more manageable in a smaller country, but the corruption seems to be pervasive. Where there is power, you have corruption.

Brian O’Leary: Yeah, exactly.

Regina Meredith: So, how do you—because you’re also very, in your own heart, very much, very conscious and deeply spiritual being. And, so, how do we bring about a spiritual transformation that can really bring in on its heals, then, these solutions to start soothing the woes of the planet, environmentally?

Brian O’Leary: Well, first of all, obviously there is the recognition that the path we’re going on, if we keep going in the direction we’re going, and if we don’t manage to relieve the oppression that’s now happening, then we’re not going to make it. I really believe that. One can only project into the future the path that we’re now taking, and how it’s just not going to work. That’s the bad news.
The good news is that more and more people are awakening. There is a non-linear effect there. There are experiments in consciousness, and this was really my path during the 1980s, into the 90s. It was a time of intense metaphysical exploration, but also scientific exploration of questions that had been forbidden to be asked in Western science, that lie outside of the box of Western science, but nevertheless, are very real. And some of the experiments that were first done at Princeton, in the laboratories, the paralabs of Robert John, and then later Dean Radin, show that these random event generators cohere in a non-linear way when people such as bonded couples, and then larger groups combine in positive human intention. They can literally change the material world.

Regina Meredith: Yes.

Brian O’Leary: And, so, the awakening in consciousness, which has been divided and ruled up until relatively recently, is beginning to get traction. I do believe that.

Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.

Brian O’Leary: Now, people have talked about this 20 years ago, but then it was just talk. Now, I am quite a bit more encouraged, just like you are, and I don’t know what it is. It’s just some sort of new energy that has come in to me to be able to let’s say, take this trip, come back to the U.S., not feel the fears that I felt—maybe even an element of paranoia thrown in—that that’s now lifting. The cloud is lifting; the people are getting more friendly. It’s—and, those of us that have been in this movement for a long, long time, I think are beginning to see the light.

Regina Meredith: And, you were—just to back track a few seconds—you hadn’t been back to the states for a few years. You’ve had your experiences along the way having to interface, like it or not, with the intelligence communities, and so forth. You—what you do is a matter of public record and has been perceived as a threat at times to the vested interests. So, you’re coming back into the country, not surprisingly, with a little trepidation.

Brian O’Leary: Well, that’s true. Last time I was here, I saw you in Mount Shasta. That was about three years ago, maybe four years ago.

Regina Meredith: Yes, yes.

Brian O’Leary: And, I do see a lightening of energy; I am sensitive to energies. And on the one hand, I do see a lot of people that are dumbing down and kind of obese and into consumerism stuff. But, I also see a lot of people that are awakening.

Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.

Brian O’Leary: It is a very dramatic unfoldment.

Regina Meredith: Well, I wanted you to share it for that reason because it’s nice, sometimes, to get a reflection when you’ve been away and have it reflected back at us. I thought maybe you would have felt overwhelmed, you know, with an oppressive energy. I didn’t know what you would find when you came back here. But, such was not the case, even at the airport.

Brian O’Leary: That’s right, yeah. Coming in there was a really friendly guy at Home Land Security. You know I have to acknowledge that all kinds of people—I’ve seen my family; it was a very pleasant, compassionate visit, even though we may not agree politically or how to go about doing things. There was a lot of well wishing and, really, it’s an energetic thing; it’s—I tend to be a very sensitive person, so, I can kind of read energies and I can see that people not only want a change, but they are feeling more compassionate; they are feeling more love than they have before.

Regina Meredith: So, there is a new kind of wind under our wings collectively that’s occurring here, and that we’re generating together.

Brian O’Leary: Mmmhmm.

Regina Meredith: So, on a very practical level we always has to come back down to awareness, which starts with some education.

Brian O’Leary: Absolutely.

Regina Meredith: How do we begin educating ourselves as to what the potentials are? How do we, as the masses, know what to put our support behind, even though most of this information is relatively suppressed, anyway? You can go on YouTube; you can find it. You can go on your site and find it. So, how do we begin this process of education so we know who to let go of, and who to support from this point forward?

Brian O’Leary: Well, I think it’s up to the individual; it’s up to all of us to take the responsibility of finding out what’s possible. What kind of future do you want for us to have? For example, the free energy technologies; yes, that would probably constitute the biggest revolution in the history of the world, and immediately followed by the new science of consciousness, which will allow us to raise our consciousness, which has to be a concomitant process with the implementation of the new energy because we have to be responsible for implementing these new technologies. We can’t screw up, again. We can’t go the way of nuclear power, for example—which most of us know that it would be disastrous.

Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.

Brian O’Leary: If we were to have a nuclear power society because of the long-life radioactive waist.

Regina Meredith: Yes. We’ve seen evidence of what that brings, yes.

Brian O’Leary: The dangerous technology, the safety of the power plants, and so forth. So, we have to now embrace the possibility that we could have totally clean energy. You could have a 10 kilowatt power pack you could fit in the palm of your hand, and stick it in your circuit breaker box, or put it under the hood of your car, which could be implemented worldwide to relieve poverty, and to be able to, for example, desalinate and purify water. You can do all kinds of things with this technology, but you can also abuse it. And, so, you don’t want Dick Cheney running this one.

Regina Meredith: No. No.

Brian O’Leary: And, so, the problems are more social and political then they are technical.

Regina Meredith: Practical and technical, yes.

Brian O’Leary: The technical—I’m convinced the technology is there.

Regina Meredith: Yes.

Brian O’Leary: But the people that do the technology need to be protected; they need to be able to be allowed to do their research and development, and supported. But, right along with that, we need responsible government, and we don’t need economic selfishness, anymore. We don’t want somebody to become the “Bill Gates” of new energy, and then control the technology. I think the whole thing ought to be open-source.

Regina Meredith: Yes.

Brian O’Leary: Just put out there for the benefit of everybody. But, at the same time, I also realize that we have—it’s Prometheus playing with fire—the human civilization has to raise its consciousness enough so that these technologies and the ones to follow could be responsibly implemented.

Regina Meredith: So, there is no separating consciousness from our future technologies any longer.

Brian O’Leary: There isn’t. And, of course, the new science and technology of consciousness is totally different from the older science of reductionism, materialism. This is where we can, through our intention, literally transform the material world. We can create energy; we can create matter. We’re very powerful creators. But, when I use the word we I mean all of humanity. We can’t afford, anymore, to have people try to consolidate their power evermore, and control us.

Regina Meredith: Yes, decentralization is critical in terms of energy now.

Brian O’Leary: Exactly.

Regina Meredith: Yes. And, so, we’re talking about, in the end, and it seems like it doesn’t really matter what the subject is or who I am talking with, anymore, it’s really simple; we need to get out of the fear model, and the pointing-fingers model, and the “they” model, into taking our power back in every sense of the word. And, as you say, taking the power back gently, moving forward gently in this, what is a revolution, as your book states.

Brian O’Leary: Mmmhmm.

Regina Meredith: This is a revolution, but we can’t do it in the old way of revolution.

Brian O’Leary: No, and so that’s the daunting task that is before us, which is that we need a revolution, but the revolution should be non-violent and it needs to be for the benefit of everybody. And humanity has never done this before. But, the good news, again, is that the phenomena of consciousness, of oneness, of our interconnectivity of love and compassion for all creation, of the mandate to be in balance with Nature and one another, could never be clearer to more of us. And getting beyond the rhetoric of change, now we need a whole new rhetoric and consummation of that—which is whole new social strictures whole new government structures, a re-localization effort, and, first and foremost, peace, sustainability and justice. These are high principles and they need to be developed as soon as possible.

Regina Meredith: We need to develop them individually, internally, so that we can even begin to express this in a larger sense.

Brian O’Leary: Yes, yes. Yeah, and that’s a daunting task. It’s not going to take a lot of “work” in terms of time consumption; it has to take a whole new perspective, a whole new change internally for each of us.

Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.

Brian O’Leary: To be responsible for our part in the whole picture.

Regina Meredith: And, we are in part responsible for this by turning a blind eye, by not choosing to know more, by not following up on a titillating page 14 article about some new breakthrough; that’s on us.

Brian O’Leary: Mmmhmm.

Regina Meredith: We’re not demanding any better of the situation. We have not been demanding any better.

Brian O’Leary: That’s right. Yeah, we’ve allowed—you know when I talk about the suppression of new energy, or any kind of new breakthrough situation, I list a lot of factors: The scientists are doing the suppressing; environmentalists, people who call themselves environmentalists, they are too; they are not really embracing the solutions; they are great at stating the problems.

Regina Meredith: Activism often focuses more on the problem than the solution, if there is an issue, yeah.

Brian O’Leary: Exactly, yeah. And, so, it’s the scientists, the environmentalists, the progressives. I know a lot of wonderful, progressive people, and boy do they—is their critique articulate. But, they don’t really understand the solutions; they don’t get to the solutions; they don’t—even some of the brighter of them—friends of mine can’t really see beyond that. Or, they are maybe afraid. There is this unconscious fear of embracing the possibility.
I’d like to, as part of the educational process, I’d like to stimulate debate. I’d like to talk with people that would prefer not to see new energy happen, you know, for maybe very good reasons.

Regina Meredith: Yeah.

Brian O’Leary: Like bigger power saws, people with personal helicopters, you know, and bigger weapons.

Regina Meredith: Yeah.

Brian O’Leary: All of those things could happen, and so this requires a level of personal and collective integrity that has never happened before.

Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm. But, I, like you, have faith. I have faith that something—there is something new. I can feel it. There is a rejuvenation that is occurring on almost a cellular level that I think is going to carry us forward into this. There is no doubt it’s going to go this way, in my mind, no doubt. It’s just a matter of how soon and how chaotic or bumpy the ride might get between here and there, but we will end up there.

Brian O’Leary: Mmmhmm. Well, we need all the help we can get.

Regina Meredith: We do.

Brian O’Leary: And we are getting help. I think we’re getting help from off-planet.

Regina Meredith: Yeah. I believe it.

Brian O’Leary: And, I think we also can ask for that help. We need to be willing to receive it. We need to get away from this consciousness of dumbing down and allowing the negativity to unfold, and take the lead, and bring as many people with us as we can, especially younger people. So, that’s why the education is so important.

Regina Meredith: Yes.

Brian O’Leary: Because I’m not going to be on this planet a whole lot longer, unless of course, I am.

Regina Meredith: Right, unless you are.

Brian O’Leary: And, so, it’s their (youth) heritage.

Regina Meredith: They need to pick it up, now, pick it up with the new consciousness that they are already moving into and possess.

Brian O’Leary: Right.

Regina Meredith: Now, for you, you’re going back to Vilcabamba, before long, and your beautiful home Montesuenos?

Brian O’Leary: Montesuenos; “mountain dreams,” yeah.

Regina Meredith: In Vilcabamba, Ecuador, and you’ve seen that country through a lot of changes, as well. You’ve seen what’s happened, well, in more recent times, anyway. And, so, it’s a little scaled down a little bit smaller, a little more manageable, and change happens a little more quickly. Are you learning a fair amount from the experience of living outside the U.S., and experiencing it?

Brian O’Leary: Oh yes! We love it there because we—well, first of all, we’re retirement age. We wanted affordable retirement. We wanted to get out of the kind of stressful environment, and it’s very unstressful there.

Regina Meredith: Yeah.

Brian O’Leary: We’re up in the Andes; the weather is perfect. And, Meredith and I quite unexpectedly created an eco-retreat conference center and B and B service, which we’re very gladly, as Ma and Pa, conducting these days, kind of in a low-keyed way. And people love it because it’s really getting away from it all.

Regina Meredith: Yes.

Brian O’Leary: And, yet, we still are tuned into the internet. We can take nature hikes. The scenery is fantastic; the air is clean, no chemtrails.

Regina Meredith: Yes.

Brian O’Leary: And, you know, as soon as I get there I wonder my gosh, I went to all these cities; I went on this tour, and now I’m back! It’s sort of like two lifetimes that are so separate. But there is magic going on there. That’s the good news. In consciousness, we know that what we’ve been able to do to create this place is right on target because the universe is cooperating with us in ways that we have never, never felt before.

Regina Meredith: So, you’re in the right place. My son was there and met you there a few years ago, and reported back that it was just a splendid energy.

Brian O’Leary: And that was—he visited before we even created our place.

Regina Meredith: That’s right.

Brian O’Leary: Our place, now, is this kind of magnificent, artistic environment on a mountainside, in a lush tropical garden.

Regina Meredith: Aahhh, to dream! OK, so one day I’m hoping that Scott and I can make our way down and just chill out and have some enlivening, creative discussion along the way, as well. We’ll see how that works out.

Brian O’Leary: Yeah, yeah, well, you’re warmly welcome.

Regina Meredith: Thank you, and thank you for spending time with us today. I really appreciate it, Brian.

Brian O’Leary: My pleasure.


Regina Meredith: For a more detailed account of Brian’s journey in this world and his call to action, you can buy his book, The Energy Solution Revolution, at Amazon and other booksellers. To dig deeper, you’ll find a treasure trove of information and links on his website at www.brianoleary.com. For another interview on the topic of alternative technologies, you might also be interested in our interview with Tom Valone. Until next time, thanks for watching CMN.